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Irony
May 1, 2008 5:37:07 GMT -5
Post by 2bterrechua29 on May 1, 2008 5:37:07 GMT -5
Hi all,
just to defend myself against Alcander's criticism about me, i would like to post another example of irony that is very RELEVANT to this topic, irony.
Another example of irony is the reaction to Piggy’s remark “I know there isn’t no fear...unless we get frightened of people.”
The reply to this is laughter and jeering from the boys.
However, this is nothing to be laughed or jeered at. Fear and a leader who utilizes that fear for what he wants eventually controls them.
Fear of Jack is the cause of the destruction and killing on the island. Fear of Jack kills Piggy and beats Wilfred.
The irony is that they laugh at the idea, and yet it happens.
Cheers, Terre Chua 2B29
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Irony
May 1, 2008 5:58:50 GMT -5
Post by 2amarcusgohsy12 on May 1, 2008 5:58:50 GMT -5
I believe, every irony have its own reason(s) for being ironic. Unlike what is said by 2bmarcuschong03. For eg, I shall paraphrase what he had said. The shortest basketball player turns out to be the highest scorer. However, the score a player make has no relation with his height. Just like a "guai kia" in his appearance can get caning in school for a major offence for all we know because the inside of him is bad. Just like a short basketballer can be the top scorer because his shots are accurate. I always believe there is a reason for everything.
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Irony
May 5, 2008 2:48:46 GMT -5
Post by 2akennethleong14 on May 5, 2008 2:48:46 GMT -5
i think that the most obvious irony in the book is that Jack firstly insisted that they will hav lot of rules to keep themselves free from trouble and turning savage, but in the end Jack was the leader of the savages. Also, it is ironic that Jack, by setting the island on fire, catches the attention of a nearby ship and in turn, rescue them
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Irony
May 9, 2008 6:34:31 GMT -5
Post by 2cnicklee25 on May 9, 2008 6:34:31 GMT -5
hi. There are a few manifestations of irony in this book, of which I will elaborate on just three.
1. The landing of the parachuter on the island. The boys, at this point of time, now beseech for some form of adult help. This is why they light and start a fire, that they hope can rescue them. An adult is much needed as things are on the verge of breaking up.
Ralph prays to the adult world to send them something grownup, a sign or perhaps a symbol. His prayer is answered by the majestic arrival of a dead parachuter, a casualty of war from the fighting going on in "civilized adult society". The flying zombie is powerless to help the boys. He is dead.
The boys need help from the adult world. The parachutist actually causes more problems, and he brings with him even more trouble. Sadly, he renders the boys partially insane. He is mistaken for the beast. Instilling more fear in the boys instead of assisting their lives, that they were so sure of, he catalyses their eventful journey towards savagery and awkward face-paintings.
2. Piggy often chides the boys, saying that they act like "a crowd of kids". He says to Ralph that "grownups know things. They ain’t afraid of the dark. They’d meet and have tea and discuss. Then things ‘ud be all right".
This is a lovely example of irony. I tell you solemnly, if the adults had the ability or reason to sit down together and "have tea" and discuss issues, a war would never have started.
If they had been able to meet and discuss they boys would have never been shot down by gunfire from a plane, and therefore they would never have even set foot on the wonderful island.
3. The adult world most of the boys so often refer to and perhaps worship, is described as a perfect example of civilised people possessing law, order, and reason. I don't think so. The "grown-ups" are waging a senseless, meaningless war back at their homeland. Something to mimic? I dont suppose so, but while Piggy tries to get things in place just like the "adults", they soon delve into the darkness of a cold-blooded war themselves.
there are many ways to utilise irony, and Golding has undeniably done so, aptly.
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Irony
Jun 8, 2008 8:04:47 GMT -5
Post by 2c30sunyu on Jun 8, 2008 8:04:47 GMT -5
Irony
- After the death of Piggy and the destruction of the conch shell, Ralph, in his escape from jack's tribe, chanced upon "the skull that gleamed as white as ever the conch had done".
- "The skull seemed to grin and jeer at Ralph cynically".
- In a fit of fear and rage, he lashed and splits it into two, thinking he may destroy the grin.
- However, it turned out to be six feet across instead, grinning at the sky.
- The irony here is that Ralph hated the grin and wanted to destroy the pig's head but eventually, it became six feet across. Now, it became more scary!
- Furthermore, Ralph's demolition of The Lord of the Flies signals his own descent into savagery and violence too.
Cheers, Sun Yu
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Irony
Aug 16, 2008 2:03:17 GMT -5
Post by 2adionloy09 on Aug 16, 2008 2:03:17 GMT -5
one of the key ironies is piggy's bad eyesight, despite this, he has good insight, and is able to control himself and provide guidance to ralph.
another important irony is that of the children thinking that simon is weird and crazy, including ralph and piggy who call him "batty". this is not true at all- simon's wisdom separates him from the others. in fact, ralph and piggy actually take part in the murder of simon, and the irony here is that they are actually the insane ones since they took part in such frenzy, and their behavior is similar to that of insanity, after they had called simon "batty".
furthermore, ralph's calm, clean state at the start of the story as compared to his poor state at the end of the story is also an irony. at the start of the novel, ralph is presented as handsome and neat, however when he is rescued, he is dirty, in rags, and sobbing. hence the contrast shows how much has happened during his time on the island, what has started out in hope has ended in despair.
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