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Post by S2Lit2008HCI on Apr 1, 2008 1:23:08 GMT -5
Post your answers to Week 3's lesson on Leadership here. Use the format as shown in the following example.
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Quality: Sensitivity to the views of the group
Jack:
-> Counter evidence: Upon arrival, he told the choir to stand still even when they were protesting due to heat and fatigue. (p.27)
“I ought to be chief” (p.29)
Ralph:
-> Evidence: Suggested the election (p.30). Offers to let Jack lead the choir + offers him the choice of duty.
-> Counter evidence: Unkind to Piggy: revealed his nickname in front of the group (p.29)
Piggy:
-> Evidence: First one to think of summoning the other survivors to group together using the conch. Gladly relinquished power to Ralph when he knew he couldn’t blow the conch on account of his asthma and took on the tedious duty of asking for the boys’ names as they arrived. (p.22-24)
Contributed by: Miss Ngo (Teacher, 2A, 2B, 2C)
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Post by 2bongyuhao17 on Apr 14, 2008 6:29:14 GMT -5
Ability to see situations in terms of broad goals
Jack
Counter Evidence: Pg 67 "Rescue? Yes, of course!All the same,I'd like to catch a pig first".
He was criticized on pg 58." How can you expect to be rescued if you don't put first thing first and act proper."
Ralph
Evidence: The first thing he did after being elected was to find out how they could be rescued instead of playing. Pg 31
Piggy
"I told you to get a list of names!" "How could I" cried Piggy indignantly. Pg 59
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Post by 2byuyang24 on Apr 14, 2008 10:09:59 GMT -5
Quality: Strong Personality
Jack:
->Evidence: Insists on hunting even when persuaded by Ralph and Piggy to keep the fire burning.
Able to represent himself as an authoritative figure for the choirboys (shown through how he is capable of ordering them about in the beginning of the story)
Succeeds in influencing some other boys to join his group of hunters and indirectly helping out in some major evil deeds in the story (e.g. the murder of Simon and Piggy)
Ralph:
-> Evidence: Able to keep the boys in order until the later stages in the story
Stands up to Jack about how the latter should not be hunting but instead watching the fire
Even after losing Piggy and Simon at the end, he still does not turn himself in
When the naval officer arrives, he claims he is the leader, thus showing self-confidence
->Counter evidence: Falls victim to the temptation of hunting and savagery
Joins in with the murder of Simon (Jack invites everyone to his camp for a feast of meat that they gained through a bloody death of a sow. Ralph goes to have a look and is curious through this temptation and then gets caught up in the dance and murder frenzy.) (pg 188)
Piggy:
->Evidence: Even though he is nicknamed 'Piggy' at the beginning, he stills stands up to them
Influential to the orders Ralph give out to the boys (e.g Ralph agrees with Piggy about gathering the boys at the beggining after they find the conch)
->Counter evidence: His insights are frequently ignored by Jack and his hunters on account of his asthma and being overweight
He can never join in and is constantly teased for this reason of simply being different, thus resulting a 'extremely low self-esteem' problem
Contributed by: Tan Yu Yang, Marcus Chong, Xiong Chengjie, Chia Zhong Hao (Class 2B)
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Post by 2amarcusgohsy12 on Apr 15, 2008 4:44:13 GMT -5
Sensitivity to the views of the group(Don't know if I had done correctly)
Jack
Counter Edvidence - Before the election was held, Jack didn't care about how the group view him. He was rude, not only to Piggy but to Ralph too and some of the other members.
Ralph
Edvidence - Appeared to be humble: "I'm leader then". What he said shows that, to the group, he is being leader because people voted him to, not that he wants to be leader.
Counter Edvidence(This is not from chapter 1) - He appeared to be a leader that only cares about the goal(in this case is to be rescued). This can be seen from "You let the fire out". It seems that Ralph was blaming Jack for letting the fire out, which in turns shows that he only cares about the goal. He forgot all about that he is a leader, and he should instead correct Jack.
Piggy
Edvidence - Doesn't want Ralph to let out his secret(being called Piggy in school), afraid that the group will view him as a "pig".
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Post by 2bmarcuschong03 on Apr 15, 2008 5:05:50 GMT -5
Quality: Strong Personality (ADDED MORE STUFF*)EDITED
Jack:
->Evidence: Insists on hunting even when persuaded by Ralph and Piggy to keep the fire burning.
Able to represent himself as an authoritative figure for the choirboys (shown through how he is capable of ordering them about in the beginning of the story)
Succeeds in influencing some other boys to join his group of hunters and indirectly helping out in some major evil deeds in the story (e.g. the murder of Simon and Piggy)
->Counter Evidence - Jack, the newly appointed hunter, draws his knife and steps in to kill it, but hesitates, unable to bring himself to act. The pig frees itself and runs away.
Ralph:
-> Evidence: Able to keep the boys in order until the later stages in the story
Stands up to Jack about how the latter should not be hunting but instead watching the fire
Even after losing Piggy and Simon at the end, he still does not turn himself in
When the naval officer arrives, he claims he is the leader, thus showing self-confidence
->Counter evidence: Falls victim to the temptation of hunting and savagery
Joins in with the murder of Simon (Jack invites everyone to his camp for a feast of meat that they gained through a bloody death of a sow. Ralph goes to have a look and is curious through this temptation and then gets caught up in the dance and murder frenzy.) (pg 188)
->Counter Evidence - Ralph wins the vote, although Jack clearly wants the position. To placate Jack, Ralph asks the choir to serve as the hunters for the band of boys and asks Jack to lead them. This isn't the way a person with strong personality would do. Such people would not choose someone he is unfamiliar of and (moreover in this case just to pacify someone) to be in-charge of something, which later on proved that this decision by Ralph is a great mistake.
Piggy:
->Evidence: Even though he is nicknamed 'Piggy' at the beginning, he stills stands up to them
Influential to the orders Ralph give out to the boys (e.g Ralph agrees with Piggy about gathering the boys at the beggining after they find the conch)
->Counter evidence: His insights are frequently ignored by Jack and his hunters on account of his asthma and being overweight
He can never join in and is constantly teased for this reason of simply being different, thus resulting a 'extremely low self-esteem' problem.
->Counter Evidence - During the election, he just followed the majority and "raised his hand grudgingly into the air". It shows his weak personality.
Contributed by: Tan Yu Yang, Marcus Chong, Xiong Chengjie, Chia Zhong Hao (Class 2B)
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Post by 2afanyi10 on Apr 15, 2008 7:48:29 GMT -5
Quality: Sensitivity to the views of the group
Jack:
Counter evidence: He was very proud when the boys first suggested voting for a chief. He said that he ought to be chief as he was head boy and could sing C sharp, which was not at all useful in surving on the island. Also, he was extra rude to Piggy and insulted him plenty of times. (Which ironically happened in my class as well.)
Ralph:
Evidence: Suggested the importance of the fire and managed to make Jack and his hunters promise that they were going to tend the fire.
Counter evidence: He somewhat wanted to be the chief himself, as he used the conch to summon all the boys on the island. This actually meant that he was saying, "Look, I've got the conch. I will be chief, because I've got the conch. You all obeyed me before. I summoned you here."
Piggy:
Evidence: He was very clever and would know what to do in this kind of situation. He suggested using the conch to summon all the boys on the island.
Counter evidence: He was very unpopular with the boys, due to his weaknesses: He was fat, not as athletic, had asthma and wore spectacles. (since people with any two of this descriptions nowadays was known either as a slacker or a mugger.)
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Post by 2a21benjamin on Apr 15, 2008 9:05:41 GMT -5
heyo, can i post tomorrow? i'm not ready to post my answer yet ><
sorry for this random post (:
signing off, BnGzL
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Post by Sean Lee 2A16 on Apr 16, 2008 3:19:16 GMT -5
Quality: Sticking to a decision once it has been madeJack-> Counter-Evidence: In the beginning of the story, Jack agrees to helping Ralph make smoke from a fire, but later in the story, he "rebels" and "forms his own tribe", in which they go hunting on the island instead of making smoke. Ralph-> Evidence: Throughout the story, Ralph tries to keep the smoke fire going until they were rescued. He forces the others to go back to the fire even if they were tired. -> Counter-Evidence: Through the middle of the story, Ralph goes exploring with Jack and some others and neglects the fire. Piggy-> Evidence: Sticks with Ralph's desicion of the smoke fire throughout the story. heyo, can i post tomorrow? i'm not ready to post my answer yet >< sorry for this random post (: signing off, BnGzL SPAMMER 
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Post by 2cleeyiren16 on Apr 20, 2008 9:56:27 GMT -5
Quality: Charimatic
Jack
Evidence: may seems like an obvious leader as he was the leader of the choirboys. He was somewhat charismatic. He hoped to be chief fervourly.
Ralph
Evidence: won the election easily because of his size, attractive appearance and conch. He blew it.
Piggy
Counter Evidence: Unpopular, teased by boys. Suffered asthma , wore glasses and was fat. Nicknamed Fatty and Piggy.
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Post by 2cangenming02 on Apr 21, 2008 3:59:40 GMT -5
Quality: Adaptability
Jack
Evidence: After landing on the island, he had already started exploring the island.
Readily decided that the choir under him would become hunters.
Ralph
Evidence: Adapted to his new role as chief by delegating the choir to be under Jack and assigning Piggy to take names.
Proceeded to explore the island with Simon and Jack after the election.
Piggy
Counter Evidence: Not so good at his new job of taking down the children's names.
Had problems adapting to the new life on the island so kept mentioning his aunt and his asthma as excuses for his inability to do certain things.
Regards,
Ang En Ming
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Post by 2b23kevin on Apr 30, 2008 2:45:21 GMT -5
Quality: Strength of Character
Jack
Evidence: When we first see Jack, he was leading the group of choirboys who later would become the hunters. Even when Simon was going to faint under the hot sun and was pleading with Jack, he still ordered them to stay in formation.
Ralph:
Evidence: Easily takes control of the tribe at first. When he ruled that there was going to be only 1 fire and that fire would be on the mountain and the boys protested against that, he asserted his authority and told them that they voted him as cheif and so they must listen to him.
Piggy
Counter-evidence: When it was time to vote for the chief and everybody besides Jack and his choir voted for Jack, Piggy reluctantly raised his hand to vote for Ralph.
Thanks
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Post by 2c30sunyu on May 4, 2008 2:30:58 GMT -5
1. Willingness to put the well-being of the group before personal considerations
Ralph: He strongly believes that by making a fire on top of the mountain, they will all be rescued together soon or later, as a whole. He is very confident as he thinks that his father is going to rescue them. Therefore, he is willing to put the well-being of the group first before his personal considerations. Furthermore, he himself also wished to be rescued, which means he is able to get the whole group believe and trust him on being rescued.
Evidence:
“Listen, everybody. I’ve got to have time to think things out. I can’t decide what to do straight off. If this isn’t an island we might be rescued straight away. So we’ve got to decide if this is an island. Everybody must stay round here and wait and not go away. Three of us—if we take more we’d get all mixed, and lose each other—three of us will go on an expedition and find out. I’ll go, and Jack, and, and. . . ”
This implies that Ralph wanting everyone on the island be rescued first as a priority shows how Ralph cared for the children who wanted to go home.
Evidence:
“ ‘We’ve got to decide about being rescued.’
There was a buzz. One of the small boys, Henry, said that he wanted to go home.”
Jack: Jack only wanted to hunt. Even when Ralph asked him to take charge of the fire, he ran off later to hunt. He only wanted to survive on this island with food in his mind and ignored the rest’s opinions.
Counter Evidence:
Jack rushed toward the twins.
“The rest are making a line. Come on!”
“But—”
“—we—”
“Come on! I’ll creep up and stab—”
Even though the twins reminded Jack that he should be taking care of the fire, Jack’s mask compelled them to listen to him. Sure enough, at that point in time, a ship passes by but the fire died out. This shows how Jack only wanted to do what he feel like doing and does not know what is more important than the other.
However, Jack cares for everyone as he shares the pig which he hunts with the boys on the island.
Evidence:
“I painted my face—I stole up. Now you eat—all of you—and I—”
This shows that at least, Jack is not so selfish. He still intend to make sure the boys had something to eat even though he disobeyed Ralph’s, the leader, orders and is succumbed to his own considerations.
Piggy: Piggy had the same mentality of Ralph: to get the boys rescued as soon as possible. He himself is frightened to be in this island unlike Ralph, hence, he always asked Ralph for confirmation of whether everyone will be rescued.
Evidence:
“I used to … When’ll your dad rescue us?”
“Soon as he can.”
“How does he know we’re here?”
Ralph lolled in the water. Sleep enveloped him like the swathing mirages that were wrestling with the brilliance of the lagoon.
“How does he know we’re here?”
Because, thought Ralph, because, because.
“They’d tell him at the airport.”
Piggy shook his head, put on his flashing glasses and looked down at Ralph.
“Not them. Didn’t you hear what the pilot said? About the atom bomb? They’re all dead.”
Ralph pulled himself out of the water, stood facing Piggy, and considered this unusual problem.
Piggy persisted.
“This an island, isn’t it?”
This shows that Piggy’s hurriedness to be rescued as soon as possible. However, being scared himself, he could not be a good leader for he just tend to put his personal considerations first.
Cheers,
Sun Yu
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Post by 2angjunda20 on May 28, 2008 5:28:35 GMT -5
The desire for power and its relationship to leadership s a major area of conflict in the boys' situation. Both Jack and Ralph are 'leader-types'. The conflict arises becauses of their differing methods and morals. From the first time we see Jack in the novel it is clear that he already has the power, as he is the leader of the choir. His way of ordering the boys to do as he says gives us an early glimpse of the way he uses and exhibits his power over others. When Ralph is democratically elected as a leader, it is obvious that Jack is furious. Ralph is sensitive to this and so appeases him by giving him command of the choir, who will become the 'hunters'. However, Jack is not content with this limited power for very long and soon a power struggle develops between him and Ralph. Eventually, Ralph is inevitably the loser in this struggle because he still clings on to the civilised values of reason and fair play, whereas Jack uses the ruthless tactics of the dictator. When the title 'chief' is adopted by Jack it indicates a change in emphasis from the leadership of Ralph. The trappings of being chief include position and respect - like they did for Ralph - but Jack's style of leadership also commands fear and obedience. Physique palys an important part in the way the boys see themselves and their credibility within the group. The two leaders are also the biggest and strongest boys on the island.
Piggy's glasses symbolise reason, the ability to see clearly, and man's inhumanity to man (as when they are broken and then stolen). Throughout the novel the fate of the glasses illustrates the loss of unreasonable behaviour. The breaking of the glasses coincides with the abandonment of civilised values. The glasses also come to symbolise power. They have the power to create fire and so whoever possesses the glasses has the power to control this fundamental element to survival on the island. This is one of the underlying reasons why Jack wants them and why, when he gets them, he wears them at his waist as a symbol of his power and authority.
Ng Jun Da (2A20)
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Post by 2adionloy09 on Aug 16, 2008 2:55:29 GMT -5
Ralph knows the boys need stability and order if they are to survive on the island. He creates rules and a simple form of government to achieve this order. Jack does not treat the boys with dignity as Ralph does. Ralph understands that the boys, particularly Piggy, have to be given respect and must be treated as equals. This makes Ralph a better leader as he is able to acknowledge that he was not superior to any of the other boys. Ralph's wisdom and ability to look to the future also make him a superior leader. Ralph has the sense to keep his focus on getting off the island. He insists on keeping the fire burning as a distress signal. Ralph's leadership provides peace and order to the island while Jack's leadership makes chaos.
Jack however does not go for the greater good of the group. Instead, he appeals to their darker side of evil, and through this causes them to listen to him. His use of the beast as a means of control also demonstrates how he uses fear to manipulate the boys.
Piggy has good ideas and suggestions and always puts the wel-being of the boys as a priority. However, he lacks the necessary charisma to be a leader, and if he was charismatic, he would have been a better leader than both jack and ralph.
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Post by wowposter on Oct 31, 2008 19:54:45 GMT -5
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