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Post by 2cangrayyan03 on Apr 15, 2008 7:48:49 GMT -5
To me this is probably the hardest question among all, for it requires the whole novel to complete. Nevertheless, I will try my best.
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--Objective : Identification of Actions similar to Roger's.--
Firstly, in order to lift other extracts from the novel, we must first define what Roger did to Piggy first, and all of these can be found from p. 221 - 223, in this chapter (of course).
Now what Piggy did first was that he, after losing his glasses, asks SamnEric and Ralph to bring him to castle rock to get back his spectacles and reason with them logic. No doubt those tensions would rise, so it begins with p. 221, with Piggy having the conch, trying to express his views, or in other terms, his final words, a statement and some questions. Before all of this, a rock zoomed down, for Roger was expressing his discontent with Piggy. Then, the statement that "You're acting like a pack of kids" was said, attracting responses from the tribe but died down when the conch was lifted again. Then, he continued to ask which they prefer, generally meaning whether they preferred being civilised or being savages. After these words, there goes Piggy. Roger broke the conch and hit Piggy, which is the highest amount of damage anyone dealt with Piggy in the story, in terms of physical damage. Thus, the conch was broken, Piggy died pitifully, and Ralph was left alone after SamnEric were captured.
--Damages to Piggy in any way (A paragraph for each chapter till Chapter 11, Castle Rock)--
Chapter 1)
I think, the first, the very, very first damage to Piggy is psychological, in Chapter 1, Sound of the Shell: revealing his name. Now, this may, in fact, have nothing to do with Roger at all, but think. If not for the fact that everyone laughed at him for his name was Piggy, Piggy would not be disrespected by all, for his intelligence surpasses all on the island, and with the condemnation of others, left Piggy to be teased by all others, hurting him emotionally, and is, later intensified when he asked to join the team to explore the unknown island, he is rejected badly by Jack, and of course, Ralph realizes his mistake and apologized, but by then it’s too late, and that was the beginning of Jack's conflict with Piggy.
Chapter 2)
We now move on to Chapter 2, Fire on The Mountain. Well, where can one find conflict? Near the fire of course! Now, Piggy was complaining that there was only flame, no smoke (from p. 54 onwards), and then, probably the first conflict with Roger (I think, and this conflict probably lighted the spark), with the help of Jack, Piggy gradually broke down and wilted (p. 54-55). Then, later, after sponsoring by Jack to take care of the fire, Roger commented that they may never be rescued, and Piggy realised that it was his own words, and complained against all of them for telling him to shut up when he is telling something. Later, Piggy imposed his Fury after Jack's comment from p.58-59, commenting that they were like a pack of kids (first time). Then, he mentioned that maybe all little 'uns were not back, and then a fight sparked off, with Piggy prevailing when the boy with the mulberry-marked face goes missing, something that made all the bigg 'uns feel ashamed of, and could not utter a word.
Chapter 3)
Correct me if I am wrong, there are basically no signs of Piggy in this chapter, and thus no damage is done to him as well. (This chapter only describes mainly about Jack, Simon and Ralph).
Chapter 4)
The sign of violence here is rather evident, with Jack punching Piggy directly in the face, is extremely obvious (in p. 89). The specs go flying, with Simon picking it up and giving it back to Piggy in the end. This has obviously worsened the ties between Piggy and Jack, and near the end of this chapter, Jack has decided not to give Piggy anything to eat, and Simon offered him some. Well, at the end of this Ralph called for an assembly, unbearable with the fact of how Jack killed the pig. Well, you may ask, what does this have to do with Roger? Remember that at the end, the tribe is led by Jack. If Jack had good ties with Piggy, Jack CAN stop Roger, but obviously situations turned out to be the inverse, and thus, Piggy got hurt by Roger in the end.
Chapter 5)
In this chapter, all I can summarize is that Piggy has questioned Jack this couple of times in this Chapter. "What are grown-ups going to think?" Now, all I can say is that Piggy is extremely civilised in a way that even if savages threatened him to be a savage he would refuse. Of course, he now has come to realize that Jack is all out against him, and Ralph is the only thing stopping him, which is obviously not the case in the later parts of the stories. Thus, we can conclude that Piggy knows his doom, but doesn't know when from this Chapter.
Chapter 6)
In this chapter, there isn't really much portions with Piggy involved, but what we do know is that Piggy was left in - charge of the little 'uns, firstly because he was always "scared" , like Jack says, and also due to the fact that he was considered as the most "useless" of all the bigg 'uns in the novel. This evidently shows that Piggy has been demoted close to a little 'un, if not for the intelligence and clumsiness he offered, I don't think Golding will even include him in the conflicts either for there would be nothing much about him then. (Personal feelings)
Chapter 7)
This chapter only shows what fear Ralph has about Piggy when finding the beast with Jack, and Simon then volunteers to go tell Piggy they will be back after dark. Thus, Piggy receives no harm, but with regards to Piggy, the only things that were mentioned are Ralph’s fears and what Simon volunteered to solve it for him.
Chapter 8)
This chapter, with close regards to piggy, the only thing evident , without Simon, is the breaking up of Jack and Ralph, that started the revolution that indirectly resulted in Piggy’s death. So, this should be something to mention, although it did not hurt Piggy in short - term, but at the very end it cost him his life. Well, Ralph was treated as a threat and Piggy as an irritant by Jack, so by questioning Ralph’s leadership, and getting the position of “Chief” in the end, there was little hope of Ralph and Piggy surviving, and Jack’s influence is very strong, unlike Ralph’s weak influence and his assemblies and his talking. To conclude, if not for the fact that Jack left, Ralph is still in the way between Jack and Piggy, and Piggy receives protection, but situations have never turned out nicely this tiem round.
Chapter 9)
There wasn't really much damage, except for Ralph trying to squirt water on Piggy, but in this chapter rather, Piggy was actually treated to good things, and probably something they needed other than fruits, meat. Well, in the passage also, Piggy is "betrayed by his stomach", and ate more, so in this case, attending Jack's party gave him a physical boost, more energy, and some enjoyment, perhaps the first time for Piggy (note he has asthma, which stopped him from doing many things, like swimming and building a fire.). However, that is not all for this chapter. It had probably created some psychological damage, as this impact was described in chapter 10, but since this is the cause, I shall explain here and nowhere else. It creates a sense of guilt in Piggy, for Simon died thanks to the dance. They also felt ashamed of themselves in a way for not helping Simon, and just watching him die, and thus they start trying to convince themselves that they were "outside". So, psychological damage is there, and that the dance, the party and feast is the cause, bringing down Ralph's "team’s" morale, Piggy’s especially.
Chapter 10)
This chapter can be described as the cause of his death. As we know, what Piggy, Ralph and company wanted was the fire back and Piggy's specs, and these two "prized" items lay in the hands of Jack after the fight out between Ralph and Company and Jack, Maurice and Roger. Now, Jack, with his ruthless behaviour at that juncture, well, would probably not ask for fire, but, snatch it. The importance of the fire has been stressed by Ralph time after time, for rescue. Well, you can say that this is the cause, or at least how I think, but I think I want to elaborate more here. I think, for the very first time, Piggy showed some signs of, want for revenge? To me, the rest of the story Piggy is either being made fun of or trying to call for attention, but this is the first time he has complained to Ralph about getting these two precious back. So, this instilled the determination in Piggy to get back what he wanted, and the damages done were both physical (Unable to see and "A tooth loose" [p. 207]) and perhaps, invoked negative aspects of him, psychological.
Chapter 11 [the chapter that marked the end of him] )
Well, firstly a summary of what happened. Ralph brought Piggy and SamnEric to Castle Rock to ask for their fire and Piggy's specs. After a fight between Jack and Ralph due to Ralph calling Jack "thief", And after a very long fighting (ended on page 221, after the tying up of SamnEric), Piggy asked for silence. Now, this silence is broken with Roger's stones. And finally, a stone struck Piggy, broke the conch and this is the end of him.
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Any comments would be accepted. And, thank you, and very sorry for making you read this very, very long post.
Regards,
Ray Yan
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Post by 2chuyongda10 on Apr 27, 2008 4:58:06 GMT -5
I want to add on to Ray Yan's analysis. For chapter six, there is another part of the story which foreshadows Piggy's death. The boys travel to the Castle Rock and Jack finds that it is a suitable place for a fortress, thus leading to his eventual territory in the later part of the story. The boys play at the Castle Rock and send boulders rolling down the cliff. This also foreshadows the incident where Roger killed Piggy with a rolling boulder. There another part of the story, in chapter 8 or 9 (I cant remember) when Roger went back to the Castle Rock, where Jack's tribe was staying. The boy on watch at the entrance asked Roger who he was even though he knew him out of practice. Roger replied by saying it was quite useless as the boy on watch will not be able to fend him off even he was denied entry. Then, the boy showed Roger how he could fend an intruder off by rolling a boulder down the blocking the path. Thus, this incident also foreshadows the death of Piggy.
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Post by 2cgalileoyap07 on May 30, 2008 5:11:41 GMT -5
This question requires for the answer to be rather long, so i shall just add to Ray Yan's point about the last few chapters.
Roger's character is obviously savage, as is revealed from earlier. But in chapter 9-11, we can see that his savagery instincts and blood-thirstiness had reached it ultimate peak, bordering on the side of cannibalism, as is also suggested. Ray Yan's points are about he damages done to Piggy, which I think is rather effective in answering this question. However, we must also think about what is the perception of Piggy in Roger's mind? Obviously we can see that Piggy is often chided and made fun of as he is fat, he may be "uncool", incapable, and such. Now, back to my point in the later chapters, about the time he dies. Now, Piggy's specs are stolen by the savages' tribe, he is outraged that the savages would go to such lowdown tactics just to gain an advantage on the other side.
In chapter 11, Piggy's death is rather spectacular, and with him is the conch. We can see that this might have caused some sadness in the reader, as both the epitome of intelligence and foresight, as well as the the conch, the object symbolizing authority and such, are crushed completely. They are both killed at the same time, which suggests that if one of them is destroyed, the other would probably go with it. It may also seem as a venting of general anger towards Ralph and Piggy. The building up of savagery contributes to the foreshadowing of Piggy's death, as well as Roger's feelings towards certain particular people.
Cheerios,
Galileo Yap.
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Post by 2c30sunyu on Jun 14, 2008 20:56:20 GMT -5
Chapter 11: Castle Rock
1) What other episodes in the novel foreshadow Roger's behaviour towards Piggy?
In chapter 4, Painted Face and Long Hair, Roger was known as "leading the way straight through the castles, kicking them over, burying the flowers, scattering the chosen stones" (pg 76).
The three littluns looked up with Percival whimpering.
Roger also "picked up a stone, aimed, and threw it at Henry -- threw it to miss" and also "gathered a handful of stones and began to throw them" at Henry, though intending to miss.
This implies that Roger actually has the savage instinct in his mind already and it is just that living in a civilised society with laws prevented him from unleashing his savage instinct.
However, in Chapter 11, after joining Jack's tribe, the evil in him is unleashed, thus, giving him the chance to throw a boulder down at Piggy.
Cheers,
Sun Yu
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Post by 2adionloy09 on Aug 16, 2008 8:54:44 GMT -5
1) the rolling of boulders in chapter 6 foreshadows the manner in which piggy died.
furthermore, throughout the entire book, roger has viewed piggy as inferior and hated him to the core, which foreshadows the murder of piggy by roger. we have also seen how piggy does not understand the other boys' hunger and lust for savagery and how roger is least able to understand civilisation, showing how a conflict was likely to happen between the two.
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