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Post by 2bongyuhao17 on May 6, 2008 3:39:11 GMT -5
3) This dance means a lot to Jack's entire tribe. Firstly, it gives them a sense of identity. This dances are often done by people who belongs to tribes. And savages belongs to tribe as they hunt and come together. This dance also seeks to put them at a higher end by attempting to terrify others. All in all, this dance has reflected on something very strongly. That is the gradual slip towards savagery. This dance is important to Jack's tribe as it builds up the camaradarie and ferocity in Jack's tribe. With this dance, the boys would feel that they are truly a hunter and therefore should act like one. This provides them with a kind of inspiration and therefore would spur them on as a hunter of Jacks' tribe.
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Post by 2bmarcuschong03 on May 6, 2008 8:42:53 GMT -5
Hey all,
2) Jack is called "Chief" by the boys now. Why is it important that he no longer uses his given name?
I think that it is because by calling Jack "Chief" instead of his given name, his status is somewhat elevated to a higher rank, higher than Ralph and the others. Calling by the names seem like giving people name/identity tags to call to, no sense of extraordinary or rather enough power and respect. So Jack want others to call him "chief" instead to clearly show the difference between him and the others in terms of status.
As we know that when we call someone "chief", that someone is to give directions to people, help them obtain their needs and wants, being fully in-charge of the group, having the highest authority among them. So as Jack was power hunger, definitely it is important for others to call him "chief". Jack had been fighting with Ralph since the very start in the novel over the "alpha male" of the island. In this case then, Jack is another step forward to his victory against Ralph now.
Names somewhat represents order and in turn, civilization as well. Jack has now descended into his savage instincts already, definitely he would want to deprive himself of all presence of civilization. And maybe this is also similar to the parts when Jack had painted his face. His main aim is to hide from his true self and identity.
Therefore it is important that Jack is now called "Chief" instead of his given name.
Regards,
Marcus Chong 2B03
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Post by 2bmarcuschong03 on May 8, 2008 7:37:16 GMT -5
Hey all,
1) "I'm frightened. Of us. I want to go home. O God I want to go home."
Why is Ralph so frightened of 'us'?
I think that this is because Ralph felt that "us", refering to the boys, are becoming more and more inclined to savagery. After witnessing the scene whereby Simon was killed by "us", it is only natural to be scared of them already. In this case, we can also say that Ralph may be also included in the group of boys "us". He is starting to realize that he has now lost control of the boys to Jack and that he himself is becoming more inclined to savagery too. He is afraid the beast within him would overpower his sense of civilization, banish all of them and spread evil. He is frightened he might become the same as the boys he witnessed killing Simon.
He might also felt scared because he is worrying if he would have the same fate as Simon in the future. This worry must have troubled him a lot, everyday watching his own steps, ensuring that he does not do anything wrong to anger the others. This kind of way of living is absolutely miserable and wearisome, even for an adult.
Regards,
Marcus Chong
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Post by 2bmarcuschong03 on May 10, 2008 7:49:55 GMT -5
Hey all,
3) What has the dance come to mean to Jack's tribe?
I think that maybe it has become to mean some form of
encouragement for the tribe to carry on their work and upholding
their tenacious spirit. After every hunt or catch, they would dance
to celebrate it. This shows the dance somewhat could boost the morale of the
whole tribe, motivating them further to perform better the next
time.
It also serve as a kind of identity to be in the tribe, hence in
turn make them more closer to each other, bonding their relationships.
It also make them have a sense of dedication/devotion to
the tribe and between one another, that's why nobody was
being left out before.
(Sorry i did in notepad) this explains the weird structure.
Regards,
Marcus Chong 2B03
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Post by 2climshengyang20 on May 11, 2008 11:59:32 GMT -5
Hi guys,
I am now attempting quesiton 1.
1) "I'm frightened. Of us. I want to go home. O God I want to go home."
Why is Ralph so frightened of 'us'?
Ok, firstly, what exactly is "us". Well, in my opinion, "us" is just simply the boys.
Let me elaborate more. Ralph was afraid of us because he has witness what cruel things mankind can do. Furthermore, they are still only children and what had Jack's "tribe" done? They killed Simon. That is a very serious thing in the book. They were too engrossed in their chanting and ritual that they even killed a friend. Therefore, Ralph was afraid of what might happen in future - will it be him or piggy or others who will be the victim of each other.
Having seen what the one civilised boys had done (killing of Simon), Ralph was afraid that he himself might change like the rest of them. He was afraid he would went wild like others and lost their sense of civilisation and be savagery and primitive. He was afraid that he would kill someone in the end. There were so many fears in him about "us".
In conclusion, Ralph was afraid of they themselves as they had done an inhumane thing such as killing and hence afraid that he himself might change and be a savage like others too.
ShengYang
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Post by 2climshengyang20 on May 11, 2008 13:16:18 GMT -5
Hi guys,
I will like to answer question 2.
2) Jack is called "Chief" by the boys now. Why is it important that he no longer uses his given name?
What exactly is a chief? A chief is defined as a leader or ruler of a people. However, Jack was now being called chief instead of Ralph.
Jack was called chief as he wanted show that the boys respected him more than Ralph and that he should be the rightful leader right from the start.
By using "chief" to address Jack, it could be said that they are really becoming primitive and civilisation is about to lost soon. Think about it, even in this modern society, we don't go around calling our leader chief; only natives call their tribe leader chief.
This shows that Jack was trying to create a tribal society.
By calling jack chief, an effect will be created on the boys such that they will only be devoted to Jack and no one else. they will serve him and only follow his orders. Hence, Jack wanted full loyalty from the boys and made sure they only respected him and no one else.
This had also totally undermine Ralph's leadership and authority and made him resemble a useless leader that no one was willing to follow him(except Piggy).
ShengYang
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Post by 2climshengyang20 on May 11, 2008 13:27:40 GMT -5
Hi guys,
this time round i am attempting quesiton 3.
3) What has the dance come to mean to Jack's tribe?
Personally, i felt that the dance was practised to show the boys' loyalty to Jack. It was practised so frequently such that it had somehow influenced them.
Using the few phrases "Kill the pig. Cut her throat. Spill her blood.", it had influences the boys to be as savage as Jack. By chanting and dancing, they were constantly reminded about what they were supposed to do and forced them to have the same mindset with each other to be savagery - kill living things to put it simply.
The dancing also bring the whole society together and build up courage among them. During the dance, their mind were totally blank and only thought about killing and their courage intensified to an extent that they were able to kill Simon.
Jack also told Maurice and Roger to put up the dance in front of Piggy and Ralph again even when there were only three of them. This proves that the dance was their very source of confidence and courage such that they were able overcome any difficulties by just dancing.
ShengYang
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Post by 2cgalileoyap07 on May 28, 2008 5:14:45 GMT -5
1) "I'm frightened. Of us. I want to go home. O God I want to go home."
Why is Ralph so frightened of 'us'?
In this sentence , we can see that Ralph is scared and wants to go home. Home, in this case, means being with his family and friends.
It also means guaranteed safety and protection. So obviously, he wanted to be protected by something, which is "us". This seemingly conflicting sentence basically embodies what those people who had not turned savage yet, were afraid of. It is conflicting in the sense that it was safer that there were humans all around, and there was supposed to be no reason to feel that way normally.
However in this situation, nothing can be described as normal. Thus, we can see that the humans, instead of providing comfort, was causing harm towards him, which explains his feelings at the time. If you imagined yourself in that position, we would all be scared. Seeing that normal people were transformed into savages, naturally we would not be able to predict what horrible deed they would do next if left to their own devices.
The "O God" part is also significant, as it may symbolize the extreme need to be rescues and the desperation of it, and that the situation was already bad enough.
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Post by 2cjiangshen14 on Jun 28, 2008 9:46:49 GMT -5
Hi All,
I will be attempting on Questions 1 and 2 first. Feel free to comment.
1) In the previous chapter, Ralph, Piggy, together with everyone else, has together killed Simon in a “ritual” after eating a pig. And so in the next morning (Chapter 10), Ralph, who suddenly realized that they had killed Simon, was horrified. He strongly believed in civilization and was not even aware of what he was doing until he realized later. So now he finally began to believe that savagery exists in every one of us. He certainly don’t want to believe this and so he was afraid of “us”. He wanted to go home, to leave this place of savagery as quickly as possible before he harmed anyone else without even knowing it.
2) Previously Ralph, with civilization, was the Chief. And now Jack had overthrown him and called himself the “Chief”. It actually represents savagery as his name Jack would remind him of civilization. In addition, by calling Jack chief means total control. No one could disobey him. He could make up something and say that is was true: he raided Ralph and took away Piggy’s spectacles without reason. He also painted his face to look like barbaric people to show that he was the “Chief”, chief of savagery, not like the weak Ralph who had no power.
Regards,
Jiang Shen
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Post by 2cjiangshen14 on Jun 29, 2008 2:48:40 GMT -5
Hi guys,
Now I will attempt on Question 3.
3) Now and then, the dance has actually become a trademark of Jack’s tribe. They would dance whenever they had killed a pig or just pretending to kill. The dance also signifies courage, but in a wild savagery way. This can be seen when the group of boys killed Simon in a barbaric way. Also, when Jack, Roger and Maurice tried to steal Piggy’s glass for the fire, Maurice asked what they should do if they encounter Ralph and his people. Jack simply said that they would do the dance without thinking what should they do if they fail. To them the dance is everything.
Regards,
Jiang Shen
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Post by 2adionloy09 on Aug 16, 2008 8:47:48 GMT -5
ralph is frightened of 'us' because the other boys have already started to turn savage, and he was afraid that as long as they stayed on the island, they would never be able to return to civilisation. it is thus evident that ralph wants to return to a world of order and rules, and leave the island where chaos and brutality is rampant. ralph is also afraid of himself- he is scared that he might lose control of himself and turn savage like the other boys, and thus he wants to return home where there is order, for fear that he might do something horrible if he turned savage.
2) jack no longer uses his original name, which shows how much he has changed since he came to the island. from a educated young boy to a brutal savage, he has completely lost himself to his primal instincts and hence his identity has also been lost. therefore, when he no loner uses his original name, it showed that he is completely different from when he just reached the island, in fact, he now wields alot of power, and hence the name "Chief".
3) as for the dance ritual, it signifies how the boys decline into savagery. each time they perform the dance, they gain more lust and desire to be savage, and thus it gives them some kind of adrenalin rush, making them even bolder and braver to do savage deeds.
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