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Post by 2bmarcuschong03 on May 10, 2008 12:50:22 GMT -5
Hey all,
2) When, how and why do the boys change from savages to little boys in the eyes of the reader?
The children are so shocked by the officer’s presence, and are now psychologically so far removed from his world, that they do not instantly celebrate his arrival. Rather, they stand before him baffled and bewildered.
It would definitely worth a good laugh if I were to witness the scene. After so long, they had been living on the island, away from the presence of adults, no more restrictions or rules to obey. They did whatever they had wanted. They had forgotten all their sense of civilisation and what boys ought to do. So when they suddenly saw the naval officer, it jolted their memory and mind about what they actually had been doing these days, what is right or wrong, thus returning some sense of civilisation to their current savaged selves.
Therefore in the eyes of the readers, we see that the boys change form savage back to their past selves, the innocent little boys.
(Did in notepad) which explains the cute structure.
Regards, Marcus Chong 2B03
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Post by 2climshengyang20 on May 11, 2008 13:49:46 GMT -5
Hi guys,
I am attempting question 3 right now. 3) How is the ending of the novel disturbing or potentially unsatisfying to the reader?
In my own opinion, i feel that the ending of the novel is an anti-climax.
I find that it is quite a "random" ending. Firstly, it was Jack and his society chasing Ralph from a place to another and out of sudden Ralph bumped into the naval officer. It is not stated where, how and why the naval officer appeared. This leaves us disturbingly as we are still figuring out what just happened with the novel just came to a sharp ending without much explanation.
I felt that the novel should have a much more proper ending that would give the novel a nice resolution and leaves us satisfyingly. it should not end so abruptly leaving us in a doubt. It should elaborate more about the naval officer and where he came from and why did he come and how did he came to know the island. It would then be a better ending.
ShengYang
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Post by 2cgalileoyap07 on Jun 5, 2008 10:52:20 GMT -5
Hi alls, I will be answering Qn 3. 3) How is the ending of the novel disturbing or potentially unsatisfying to the reader? First, I will be answering the disturbing reaction of the reader after reading the end of the novel. The focus is on Ralph's reaction towards meeting the naval officer, as well as the naval officer himself. As was discussed in the class some time ago, the naval officer gives an indication, sort of comparing this LOTF society and the REAL world. Most of us, I would say, would believe that the real world in comparison would be much more civilized. However the naval officer instead expresses his side of savagery, contrary to our expectations of the real world in the novel. This shows that actually the real would had not completely deviated from savagery, having some prominent signs of it displayed by people of that particular society. Most of us should know by now that the naval officer is a representation of the real world. Now if we envision about how these boys would get back to their former societies, with the valuable experiences of the events and savagery on the LOTF island. Clearly, some of the memories would leave a certain extent of emotional trauma in them. The ending is potentially unsatisfying to the reader, as a result of the obviously abrupt ending to the story, precisely when at the climax of the whole story. The reader may also feel that there is a rather clichéd ending to it, with Ralph's reflections about his stay on the island. However, there is a deeper meaning to it. The conclusion may be a mask hiding the subtle fact that, in comparison the real world is not that good anyway, maybe exhibiting these savage instincts in wars and such. We can also see that Ralph's reaction is a major point in the ending, in which he cries in grief and sorrow, as if grieving for the loss of innocence and pureness of heart, and maybe he had just realized that, the people in the real world may be showing signs of that, no matter how civilized they portray themselves to be. TYVM for reading this.
Cheerios, Galileo Yap.
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Post by 2c30sunyu on Jun 9, 2008 2:10:27 GMT -5
I would like to answer Question 3:
3) How is the ending of the novel disturbing or potentially unsatisfying to the reader?
As the story ended by introducing a naval officer which is a dues ex machina, it gives readers a sort of quick ending. Thus, with the reader reading the novel being at its peak (climax), suddenly, everything is resolved.
Though this way of ending is unique, some readers may be unsatisfied by such jerky endings for the y prefer smoother endings. I am sure many readers would like to know what will really happen if the naval officer weren't there, right?
Thus, ending of the novel is quite disturbing or potentially unsatisfying to the reader?
Cheers, Sun Yu
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Post by 2cjiangshen14 on Jun 29, 2008 5:05:05 GMT -5
Hi All,
I will be answering on Questions 1, 2 and 3. Feel free to comment.
1) Jack was on the extreme end of savagery while Ralph was on the extreme end of civilization. So naturally the two boys hated each other and wanted to destroy each other. However, Samneric, who were only followers of Ralph, were innocent. Hence, the ultimate intention of Jack was to destroy Ralph and his civilization, so first he must gain popularity and not kill Ralph’s followers, so by killing Samneric, that would not show how popular he is.
2) The boys changed from savages to little boys again when they see the naval officer and they stopped hunting for Ralph. At first, it was the war that caused the boys to be stranded in the island. So they were from civilization at first. As the story went on, the hope of rescue becomes dimmer. And the boys started to hunt for food and in the process of hunting, they, especially Jack and his group of hunters, experienced what is savagery for the first time and Jack regarded it as good while Ralph still supported civilization. Then, savagery started to overtake civilization and in the end the last trace of civilization has gone and Ralph was hunted like mad. Just then the naval officer was encountered and all of them stopped and suddenly remembered how much they missed home and want to go back. It was at that time that civilization came back again and they were all returned from savages to British little boys.
3) Firstly, I would like to state that this type of ending is called the deus ex machina (an improbable or unexpected device or character that suddenly appears to resolve a situation). It is after Ralph’s tense, exciting stand against the hunters, suddenly a naval officer appeared and bought the boys back to the world of law, order and society. The reader here may be a little disappointed by the fact that the ending was not an exciting one, but just merely a description of what had happened. The reader here was curious about what will happen aboard the ship, will they become savages again? As the story ends here, it seems very abrupt. The reader wants to know more.
Regards,
Jiang Shen
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Post by 2adionloy09 on Aug 16, 2008 9:07:09 GMT -5
2) the boys turned from savages to "little boys" again at the arrival of the naval officer. during their stay on the island, there was nobody to enforce the rules of civilisation, and thus they were primal and savage. in fact, they had been so absorbed in their evil deeds that the arrival of the naval officer, an adult, brings an abrupt stop to their savage ways. now in the presence of an adult, they dare not break the rules of civilisation for fear of being punished.
3) the ending is abrupt and leaves readers unsatisfied because it is an anti-climax, and in fact the appearance of the naval officer is abrupt as there is no explanation for his arrival, nor any details of the rescue. the disturbing part of the chapter is that it was not a planned fire that got the boys rescued, in fact, in was the fire of savagery set by jack to kill ralph, which is an irony. furthermore, when ralph sees the naval officer, he does not leap out in joy of rescue, rather he weeps for what he has lost, and for the dormant evil within every human's heart that can be exposed easily. last but not least, the naval officer is seen as some kind of "saviour", but in fact he is not. he and the adult world represent a bigger picture of the same savagery in the children on the island. in fact, he "saved" the boys from savagery, but he himself was taking part in a war which also involved killing of humans, thus leaving readers disturbed.
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